# An interview with Arthur O’Dwyer

You might have noticed in your news feed recently a piece by David Cassel for TheNewStack.io, titled “Software Developer Tracks Down Code for a Beloved 41-Year-Old Text Adventure” (2021-04-25). The piece was based on “an email interview,” which is a bit of journalistic newspeak that means “David sent me an email 36 hours before deadline; I responded.” (Not that there’s anything wrong with that!) Anyway, it’s a good piece of promotion. But I did tell David at the time that since I’d gone to the trouble of writing up a long-form reply, I’d probably put it up on my blog at some point… And now here it is.

Arthur O’Dwyer and Castlequest: The Long-Form Email Interview.

Well, both of my parents were computer programmers (they both worked for General Electric Information Systems), so that got me into computers at a very early age. And it also meant that we had Internet in the house (via the Maryland Public Libraries’ SAILOR system), which made it possible to get to GEnie. (I was born 1984, and we’re probably talking 1995-ish for GEnie and so on.) And, my parents’ having done computer stuff at university in the 1970s meant that they were both exposed to Adventure already.

I don’t know when or where she made it, but my mom actually had a deck of hand-written index cards holding the entire map of 350-point Adventure: each card had the name of a room, and then a list of exits cross-referencing other cards. So if you had this deck of index cards, you could use it to plan out a route through the cave before turning on the computer; or you could act as the computer for someone else, and let them “move around” in the cave just as well as they could on the computer.

(Circa middle school, I got into the Adventure Game Toolkit, and made a couple of text adventures with that; and I did a few times actually print out the code and carry it on Boy Scout camping trips and the like so that my friends could play the game while I acted as the computer. Also related: Parsely.)

Anyway, I wouldn’t say that I lived in an Adventure-themed house or anything, but I definitely had more incidental exposure to text adventures than the average ’90s kid. And, I suppose, an early exposure to the idea that text adventures can have a physical paper component!

(Although of course Infocom was famous for their feelies. I arrived too late to really have any exposure to Infocom; I picked up a battered copy of HHGTTG at a yard sale circa high school, but that was all.)

My latter-day Adventure archaeology started circa Thanksgiving 2010, I think. (I would have guessed earlier, but I know that Looney Labs’ Back to the Future card game had just come out, which pegs it to 2010.) I realized that Colossal Cave would make a great setting for a Back to the Future–style card game. So that led to Colossal Cave: The Board Game (and thus my Twitter handle). Having grown up amidst Adventure variants, I didn’t feel like there’d be any legal problems with a card game explicitly based on Adventure (and there never were), but as the Kickstarter began feeling really real, I started to feel like I ought to get buy-in from the original writers, anyway. (And from Andy Looney, since I was also ripping off Fluxx.) So I ended up contacting both Don Woods (of Crowther & Woods) and Dave Platt (550-point Adventure), both of whom were very nice people. I even got to visit Don Woods for a game night! Will Crowther, on the other hand, guards his privacy well; Woods knew how to contact him, but felt that “random guy wants to make a board game” didn’t qualify as a good reason to disturb him, and said go right ahead.

Much later, I got an email from Will Crowther’s daughter Sandy saying that they’d gotten him the board game for Christmas 2015 and that he’d enjoyed playing it. :)

So CC:TBG got me into “nosily contacting people from that era”; and it also got me into “resurrecting games in new media.”

For the Kickstarter, I decided that it would be cool to have a version of Adventure you could play online. Of course plenty such already existed; but they tended to be based on Graham Nelson’s Inform port, which was a very modern, Infocom-style, legalistic take on the original. You couldn’t just say OPEN while holding the keys; you had to say UNLOCK GRATE WITH KEYS and then OPEN GRATE. You couldn’t just say HOUSE to get from the grate back to the well house; you had to navigate there with compass directions. So I puzzled out how to make something more authentic to the original (standing on the shoulders of Donald Knuth and David Given), and ended up with a C version playable in Parchment. Every CC:TBG backer received a custom-printed USB stick with a copy of the game (both the 350-point and 550-point versions).

So that got me into “porting Adventure variants into C,” which meant “learning what Adventure variants existed.” Which led me to learn of David Long’s 751-point New Adventure — which is still lost. I’d never played that version, or even heard of it, but it was one of the better-merchandised versions, copiously documented and advertised. Above my computer on the wall right now is the Dennis Donovan poster I got from someone on eBay in 2017 — I still look at it every day! So I made that “In Search of LONG0751” web page, and then at the bottom of the page I listed some other games — ones I’d actually played as a kid — that seemed to be lost as well: Castlequest and Black Dragon. …And that’s where Castlequest entered the picture!

From there, my previously blogged timeline can pick up the story.

How would you describe your final reaction after successfully discovering (and then exploring) all of the game’s original code?

I was thrilled to find that the copyright deposit contained the actual source code. None of us (me, Kershenblatt, or Holtzman) actually expected the deposit to contain a playable version of the game; we all expected a map, walkthru, external help file, or maybe even less. As I said on my blog, I was also surprised (ruefully, or maybe not so surprised in hindsight) to find that not only had I never beaten the game as a kid, I’d never even seen two-thirds of it! This probably did help it stick in my mind, though. I’m sure I never got far in Black Dragon, either.

(Also in the late 1990s, I got only about a quarter of the way into Hexx: Heresy of the Wizard, which made it stick in my brain forever as well. I occasionally have dreams about Hexx. But it’s not a “lost game.” A couple of years ago I opened it up in DosBox and beat it as thoroughly as I’ve now beaten Castlequest — with only the tiniest modicum of hex-editing to teleport past a particularly tricky level.) By the way, Hexx and the save-editing tool I used are on my GitHub.)

Wikipedia says GEnie didn’t launch until 1985; so, where was the game during the preceding four years?

It was running on a computer system at RPI. Mike Holtzman wrote to me in 2016:

I wrote CastleQuest with my roommate, Mark Kershenblatt, at RPI in the late 70’s, where it was available on the school’s timesharing system. […] On graduation I bequeathed the game to the RPI chapter of the ACM, who kept it running on the school’s computer system.

Sometime later, Bob Maples visited the school and saw the game. At the time he worked at The Source. He contacted us and offered to port the game to The Source’s timesharing system and split the royalties with us. Later he did the same at Genie and CompuServe. Apparently he never divulged the fact that he was not actually the author of the game, only the ‘publisher’.”

Bob Maples was also the publisher (and maybe author) of Black Dragon. My internet-sleuthing turned up evidence that Maples had died in April 2001, although of course I’m not 100% sure of that. (If I recall correctly, it was one of those online “memorial/guestbook” pages. It’s now a 404, with nothing in the Wayback Machine.)

Do you have any idea what you’ll be investigating next?

Never. ;)

I’d appreciate it if you could find a way to name-drop Black Dragon in your piece — as another lost game from GEnie and Bob Maples — since maybe that’ll eventually lead to someone finding it. As you’ve seen, sometimes these things percolate for 10 years before the right pieces come together, so every little bit of getting-the-word-out helps.

Jason Dyer points out that The Pits is another lost adventure game with a USCO entry. So if Jim Walters or Dave Broadhurst is out there, they should know there are a lot of people who’d like to see that game resurrected, too! Personally, I never played nor even heard of The Pits; but I’ve heard of it as an adult in the sense that there are definitely people out there looking for it.

After David Cassel’s piece was published, I was invited to give a lightning talk on Castlequest at C++Now; I’ll post a link once the video is publicly available. In that talk, I gave a couple more examples of “lost games” that could use some press:

• Dor Sageth, a sci-fi text adventure from GEnie

• Jason Dyer’s list of lost mainframe games, including Peter Langston’s Wander (1974), Olli J. Paavola’s LORD (1981), John Sobotik and Richard Beigel’s FisK (1980), and Gary Kleppe’s Underground (1978).